The Science of Saving Your Pint Podcast

BEER QUALITY PODCAST
The Science of Saving Your Pints

Back to School with this beer quality podcast Podcast

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It’s back to school this week on Spreading Hoppiness! 

Join Faram’s Paddie as he heads to Nottingham University to catch up with the Murphy & Son technical team, in their brand-new technical lab! From the latest equipment developments and new products, to rescuing your infected yeast, this facility opens up a world of possibilities and ways to improve your beer quality. 

Catch up with Steph, James and Sara as they uncover the secrets behind mastering shelf life, improving beer quality, and flavour stability while maximising yield.

Learn how to save your brews with science with this beer quality podcast!

FIVE MINUTES WITH FARAM

This image shows Dan Lawson, Head Brewer and Director at Copper Beech Brewing, and Faram's Paddie on this week's Five Minutes with Faram segment.

Five Minutes with Faram featuring Dan Lawson from Copper Beech

Dan, introduce yourself and tell us a bit about your brewery

Dan Lawson: I’m Dan Lawson, one of the directors and head brewer at Copper Beech. We’ve been going since 2019, originally based in Kidderminster, and moved to Worcester in October last year. We now have an eight-barrel plant producing a lot of beer!

What’s your favourite hop?

Dan: I’d probably say Talus. It’s a hop that people don’t always love, but we’ve had great success with it. We use it a lot, either as a showcase hop or a supporting hop.

Do you use Talus within your range currently?

Dan: Yes, it’s in our beer Family Tree, named after my daughter – a 5.5% single-hop beer. It also features in many of our hazy pales as a supporting hop.

What is your favourite beer?  From your brewery or elsewhere

Dan: From elsewhere, Big Foam from Deya. During the pandemic years especially, it was fantastic. I don’t see it around here a lot, but whenever I do, I go for it.

Favourite food beer pairing?

Dan: We did a beer and cheese pairing, and with goat’s cheese was the best combo. Cheese is a great pairing for beer in general.

Favourite beer destination – UK or worldwide?

Dan: In the UK, Manchester is the obvious one, and Leeds is fantastic too. But Worcester has some great places as well. Before we moved here we used to come over, and it’s a great beer city that I think is underappreciated.

Favourite pub in the world?

Dan: The Chester Tavern in Kidderminster. It’s my wife’s and my favourite pub. Great landlord, eclectic beer range. You can get anything from Lucky Buddha to Vault City sours, and even a big non-alcoholic selection; it’s a lovely pub.

What’s one item in the brewery you couldn’t live without?

Dan: Two things: a squeegee, because our drainage is terrible and our brewery assistant Perry. He’s solid and doing great in his apprenticeship.

Do you listen to anything while brewing? Music, album, podcast?

Dan: I have a house rule: no music while I’m brewing. I’m tuned into the sounds of leaks, gas, water, anything. The rest of the team listen to stuff, but I like silence so I can hear if anything’s going wrong.

If you weren’t in the brewing industry, what would you be doing?

Dan: I worked in education and local government before this, so probably some boring corporate job.

How did you go from that into brewing?

Dan: I used to play football four times a week. I broke my leg, my wife said I couldn’t play anymore, and I needed a hobby. Brewing became the hobby – first in the kitchen, then in the shed. I was earning good money within my career but had no work–life balance, so I switched careers. I earn less now but enjoy what I do. And credit to my father-in-law – he bullied me into drinking cask ale

Do you have a big inspiration?

Dan: My father-in-law on a personal level. In brewing, Mark Costello from Horsforth Brewery. He probably doesn’t realise the impact he had. We followed a similar path,  limited funds, small scale, making it work.

Favourite beer festival?

Dan: Shirley Beer Festival. It’s a massive event and they supported us when we were tiny, treating us the same as bigger breweries. It’s now a fixed part of our calendar every May. Craft Brew Festival is great too, and we’re hoping to do more this year.

Any hobbies outside the brewery?

Dan: Not a lot of time for hobbies! But I’m a massive football fan. I support Kidderminster Harriers locally and Aston Villa nationally.

What was the last beer you brewed?

Dan: A Baltic Porter, brewed with Three Words Brewing. We used W-34/70 yeast and Admiral.

Goldings or Fuggles?

Dan: Goldings. I’ve never used Fuggles, and Goldings works well in our beers.

What’s next for you in the industry?

Dan: Ultimately, our aim is organic growth. Rather than punching above our weight, we simply want to be recognised for what we do. In addition, we have a good site, a great taproom, and a strong team. Above all, we’re focused on the beer, not on becoming famous. Looking ahead, we want to still be here in 10–15 years, known for being a solid Worcester brewery.

The conversation keeps flowing as Faram’s Paddie heads over to the local brewery, Copper Beech. This Worcester-based brewery started in Dan’s kitchen as a hobby after he broke his leg and has been growing ever since! Leaving the corporate world behind for his passion for beer!

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Murphy & Son – Inside the New Nottingham Technical Lab

Patrick Whittle and the Murphy & Son team take us “back to school” this week as they explore their new technical factility at Nottingham University’s, Sutton Bonington campus. This episode gives brewers a rare behind the scenes look at how diagnostic testing, R&D, and product development now work hand-in-hand to solve brewing problems faster and more accurately than ever before.

Steph Brindley (Technical Support Manager), Sarah Hewitt (Lead Brewing Microbiologist) and James Herron (Senior R&D Scientist) walk listeners through the expanded capability of the lab, which fuses academic resources, industrial equipment, and practical experience from real brewery challenges.

Microbiology – Finding the Root of Beer Spoilage

Sarah explains how the upgraded space now allows the team to tackle issues at multiple levels:

  • Direct plating to identify live microbial contaminants such as wild yeast
  • Membrane filtration to detect very low contamination levels in large sample volumes
  • PCR testing for rapid, highly specific DNA-level identification

“PCR will pick up the DNA of a microbe even if the cell itself is no longer alive.”

Testing isn’t just about detection – it feeds directly into resolution. If a brewer’s house yeast is compromised, Murphy’s can re-isolate, clean up, and return a pure culture along with pitching and nutrient guidance.

Chemistry & Stability – More Than Just “Clear Beer”

The move to Nottingham has also enabled new analytical capability, including:

  • Gas Chromatography for ultra-low detection of diacetyl and pentanedione
  • Tonometer testing to predict haze development and shelf life stability
  • ESR (Electron Spin Resonance) for measuring oxidation stress and antioxidant performance – used to validate products like Mash Life
  • UKAS-accredited gluten testing so brewers can legally label <20 ppm “gluten free”
  • Comprehensive water profiling, including seasonal variation support and treatment advice

Steph drives home why this matters:

“If you don’t get things right at the beginning, you can’t recover it later on.”

James notes a shift in how brewers approach technical support:

“Brewers used to call us when something had gone wrong. Now they call us before that happens – to optimise, not rescue.”

From PhD Research to Commercial Products

Not every lab turns academic theory into products brewers actually use. Murphy’s does, some examples include:

  • Super F – vegan finings, now widely adopted
  • Mash Life – antioxidant developed from a TU Berlin PhD project
  • Next in pipeline – a mushroom-derived natural clarifier, currently patent pending

The lab is also now a hub for student research, sponsoring Masters & PhD projects across Europe to fast-track innovation into real-world brewing tools.

Steph sums up the Murphy & Son philosophy:

“We don’t just test beer. We give brewers a toolkit so their beer tastes as good in six months as it did in tank.”

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“We want to help make sure that that beer can stay as fresh as it was the day it finished in the tank."

"If you haven't treated your water then you know it's not going to be a good beer."

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